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Measles Alert: Non-vaccinated Child Spreads Measles to Three Children in Perth

Three young children, including two young babies, have caught measles this week from an unvaccinated child, according to WA Health’s Virus Watch.

They were exposed to the virus at Rockingham General Hospital’s Emergency Department mid-January after a child of a non-vaccinating family presented with the deadly disease.

According to WA Health’s Virus Watch publication on January 29, two cases of mumps were also detected in adults, with one acquired locally and the other in Indonesia.

Measles is a highly contagious viral infection transmitted via respiratory aerosols that remain a risk to others for up to two hours after the person has left the area. The incubation period is about 10 days (range seven to 18 days) to the onset of prodromal symptoms and about 14 days to the appearance of the rash. The illness is characterised by cough, coryza, conjunctivitis, a descending morbilliform rash, and fever present at the time of rash onset. The infectious period is from five days before the appearance of the rash to four days after the appearance of the rash.

According to a WA State Government report released last year, most of Perth’s metropolitan area fell below the current national average of 91.3% for fully vaccinated 2-year-olds.

Some of the lowest vaccination rates for children under 5 were found to be in Cottesloe, Claremont, Fremantle and Mundaring while regionally, Augusta, Margaret River, Busselton and Manjimup were also behind the state’s average.

That said, the number of pregnant mothers receiving whooping cough vaccinations in WA has risen to 70%, after the introduction of the free booster program established after the death of newborn baby Riley Hughes in 2015.

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    • Avatar of Brian

      Please learn the difference between adverse events and side effects. They aren’t at all the same thing.

    • Avatar of kfunk937

      One wonders why the source of your anti-vaccine meme cut off this portion from the actual Merck vaccine insert (see p. 6, (1)):

      The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality, within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella [emphasis supplied]

      I would draw readers’ attention to the phrase “without regard to causality” and “reported during clinical trials” because (a) every event, including walking into a door frame, must be recorded and reported during clinical trials, and (b) this is done whether its likely to be related or not. Vaccine inserts are also legal documents rather than scientific ones, similar to warnings that one should “remove turkey from bag before placing in oven.”

      It’s also somewhat amusing/pathetic that the same sources reject all other material information from the manufacturers, including references to the large body of independent worldwide research over decades indicating the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Compared to the risks of the diseases vaccines are designed to prevent, there is no comparison.

      (1) http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.merck.com%2Fproduct%2Fusa%2Fpi_circulars%2Fm%2Fmmr_ii%2Fmmr_ii_pi.pdf%3Asc_0xDTfx6HjdEdWEGAYnHyyRYU&cuid=3162385

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      How do those adverse events compare to the adverse events from measles, mumps and rubella?

      If vaccines are as dangerous as you say, why do you need to provide false information (adverse events =/= side effects) to prove it?

    • Avatar of Mike Stevens
      Mike Stevens Reply

      Hello brand new Disqus poster!
      I wonder whose antivaccine sock puppet you are?

  1. Avatar of Jane Jones
    Jane Jones Reply

    Measles is not a deadly disease! It is a common childhood virus that very rarely causes any problems. Fear mongering is what this article is doing! Pure nonsense!!! What is criminal is the fact that they are pushing dangerous and unneccessary vaccines on pregnant women! None of these vaccines have been safety studied for use on pregnant women—read the insert -it says so right on it! Years ago they never would vaccinate a pregnant woman because it was not safe for the fetus–nothing has changed there! Protect your babies because the CDC and Drs. no longer are!!!

  2. Avatar of Nikki

    I’m confused … how can unvaccinated children give measles to the vaccinated if the whole purpose of getting vaccinated is so that you don’t contract the disease in the first place? Looks more to me like the vaccinated are getting it from the same thing that is supposed to prevent the disease: vaccines.

    • Avatar of AutismDadd
      AutismDadd Reply

      That’s the battleground. Fake News and Fake Science and fear mongering are vaccine marketing.

      • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
        Jonathan Graham Reply

        Fake News and Fake Science and fear mongering are vaccine marketing.

        I think you have a problem with “fake thinking”.

        • Avatar of T ferg

          This stock photo of the baby with measles is fake, it’s a shopped picture you smacked ass retarded jerk off. Vaccines are poison for the dumb sheeple.

      • Avatar of Ron Roy

        So
        you think vaccinating kids is a good thing that means you approve of having kids
        injected with horse blood, rabbit brain,dog kidney,monkey kidney, chick
        embryo,chicken egg protein, duck egg, pigs blood, calf and fetal bovine serum,
        tissue from aborted fetuses and the DNA that it contains, aluminum, thimerosol (
        a form of mercury ), squaline,( which has not been approved by the FDA and is
        the leading cause of Gulf War Syndrome), peanut oil, glycerin, MSG, phenol,
        polysorbate 80, streptomycin, formaldehyde, sodium borate,canine kidney cells,
        oh last but not least Simian Virus 40 which contaminated the original polio
        vaccine. Simian Virus 40 is a cancer causing virus and that was the 40th virus
        they found in that vaccine! Most cancerous brain tumors are caused by SV40. That
        virus is now part of our genome and there’s no way to get rid of it! If there are no problems associated with vaccines, then why did
        Congress pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986? The reason is
        because Pharmaceutical companies were being sued so much, because of all the
        deaths and injuries caused by vaccines, that they would have to stop making
        vaccines so they “convinced ( bribed ) Congress into passing a law whereby the
        government accepts the liability! One of my best friends was a practicing
        microbiologist for 32 years and he admitted that our bodies don’t just produce
        antibodies against the viruses in the vaccine but also the ingredients in the
        vaccine. Gee I wonder where all the allergies are coming from? The greatest
        killer of pre-teens is leukemia I wonder what causes that?

        • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

          The fact that kids are living to pre-teen age more often?

          Appeal to disgust won’t work and it’s not that I approve or disapprove – it’s that I don’t care. Unless of course you have evidence that I should?

        • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
          Jonathan Graham Reply

          is the leading cause of Gulf War Syndrome

          Actually anti-vaccine scientists like Shaw say it’s aluminum.

          peanut oil,

          Never used in any vaccine except for testing

          That virus is now part of our genome

          Oh? Where is it on the human genome? I’m sure you can point out it’s position since you know this to be an absolute and unquestionable fact.

          One of my best friends was a practicing microbiologist for 32 years and he admitted that our bodies don’t just produce antibodies against the viruses in the vaccine but also the ingredients in the vaccine.

          So people develop antibodies against all those things you claim are harmful? In other words they are more resistant to aluminum intake than you are?

          Gee I wonder where all the allergies are coming from?

          If they’re coming from vaccines then we shouldn’t be seeing the progress we are in reversing them.

          he greatest
          killer of pre-teens is leukemia I wonder what causes that?

          So again you’re claiming it’s caused by vaccines yet between 1960 and 1980 the survival rate for children went up dramatically.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            ”Actually anti-vaccine scientists like Shaw say it’s aluminum.peanut oil,” I’m sure these substances might have contributed to Gulf War Syndrome. The developing of antibodies against squalene ( which is naturally occurring in our bodies ) leads to an autoimmune disease when those antibodies begin attacking our own squalene.

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            Ron Roy: “I’m sure these substances might have contributed to Gulf War Syndrome.”

            Welp.. I am convinced.

            An anonymous person on the internet named Ron Roy has a ‘hunch’..

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            I’m sure these substances might have contributed to Gulf War Syndrome

            Shaw says you’re wrong. It’s aluminum – he did tests that, if you read Vaccine Papers prove it. What about all the cred you give these BRAVE BRAVE SCIENTISTS? It only goes until they disagree with you.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            FDA to approve flu shot containing squalene which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders

            Paul Fassa
            Natural Blaze
            Mon, 12 Oct 2015 00:00 UTC

            The FDA has granted fast track approval for Swiss based Novartis’s flu shot that contains squalene as an adjuvant to boost what they consider an immune response.

            Fast track approval is normally reserved for crucial emergencies during
            vaccine shortages. You might be aware that there is no shortage of flu
            vaccines and most hyped flu epidemics are bogus.

            But what they call an immune response is mostly a localized cytokine
            response to toxic adjuvants and preservatives. But the process of
            creating a cellular memory to defend against future viral attacks is
            usually bypassed by vaccinating.

            That’s why getting a viral disease and recovering or even being
            exposed to one without falling ill grants lifetime immunity, and that’s
            how true “herd immunity” can occur.

            Squalene was used for troop anthrax vaccinations during the Gulf
            War and has been associated with Gulf War Syndrome that affected
            thousands of American soldiers during the Gulf War, many of whom died
            from that alone, exceeding combat fatalities.

            The squalene paradox is that squalene oil appears naturally in our
            bodies to help manufacture vitamin D and is enhanced by some
            poly-unsaturated fats such as olive oil. But injecting the synthetic
            squalene is a different matter.

            Squalene by injection causes the body to create an antibody response without boundaries. It’s called a cytokine storm.

            The antibodies gather and attack all the body’s natural squalene,
            creating autoimmune diseases ranging from rheumatism to partial or
            complete paralysis and even death. This outcome was common during the 1976 national fake swine flu epidemic that spawned a very strong vaccination push.

            Even President Ford rolled up his sleeve on live TV nationally. Not sure what was in the syringe though.

            The lawsuits from so many deaths and Gillian Barre’ Syndrome (GBS)
            episodes from that vaccination push spurred legislation to indemnify
            vaccine makers from being sued, leading to the current National Vaccine
            Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), a no-fault alternative to the
            traditional tort system for resolving vaccine injury claims, which the
            U.S. Court of Federal Claims decides for whom to award financial
            compensation.

            Immediate Squalene in Vaccine Concerns

            No one should take the swine flu vaccine – it is one of the most
            dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called
            squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune
            disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is
            the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome,
            which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the
            fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). – Dr. Russell Blaylock

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            The non-profit National Vaccine Information Center
            (NVIC) is questioning the basis for the fast tracked licensure by the
            U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) of a squalene-adjuvanted
            influenza vaccine for use in seniors over age 65. The Novartis MF59
            adjuvanted Fluad vaccine was approved for accelerated licensure by the
            FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC)
            on Sept. 15, 2015 primarily using limited immunogenicity and safety
            evidence from a small clinical trial in which only about 1,000 healthy
            Americans over age 65 were given the adjuvanted vaccine
            2. Since Gulf War I, the military has been secretly putting an oil-based adjuvant called SQUALENE into certain experimental lots of military vaccines. Just like lab animals, thousands of soldiers given SQUALENE- laced vaccines have developed disabling auto-immune diseases. Independent researchers have found SQUALENE antibodies in these sick soldiers. In 2005, the military admitted that 1,200 military personnel who received anthrax vaccine before going to Iraq recently developed serious illnesses, including memory loss and chronic fatigue.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Do you ever read your hysterical (plagiarized) diatribes?

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            Looks like your post was deleted Ron. But again Shaw says you are wrong. His tests were entirely about aluminum. Nothing else. How could they be strongly conclusive but the cause actually be squaline? Why don’t you believe the brave brave brave scientists. How dare you not! 🙂

            Also why were you including peanut oil when it’s not used?

            Also the gulf war was in the 1990 so they would have used the AVA vaccine which has alhydrogel not squalene.

            Have you said anything that could remotely qualify as correct Ron?

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            MILITARYCORRUPTION.COMTM
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            SQUALENE CONFIRMED IN ANTHRAX VACCINE AFTER NUMEROUS

            PENTAGON DENIALS

            Representative Jack Metcalf of the State of Washington revealed in a report

            Thursday that the FDA found squalene in the anthrax vaccine being forced upon

            the U.S. military on pain of court martial and/or dishonorable discharge.

            The FDA confirmed the presence of squalene in the anthrax vaccine by using

            a more sensitive test than one used by the Pentagon. Squalene is NOT an FDA-approved

            substance and its consequences on health are unknown. As a vaccine booster ingredient,

            it is thought to increase immunity, but its use has been denied time and again

            by the Pentagon. Congressman Metcalf again called on the Pentagon to immediately

            HALT the anthrax vaccine program until the squalene source is identified and

            its health consequences studied.

            The revelation on squalene more clearly establishes that the Pentagon may be

            conducting “medical experiments” on service members. Other Congressional hearings

            have already established that the Pentagon conducted de facto experiments because

            it avoided organization-level FDA review before changing the way the vaccine

            is used and administered.

            The exodus of hundreds of military members, including many officers and skilled

            pilots, over the vaccine demonstrates the gravity of this issue as it relates

            to Pentagon “integrity” and the overall national defense capability. Young people

            thinking of joining the military may decline a tour or career when faced with

            such questionable and risky employment treatment. The recruiting impacts of

            this issue are highlighted by House and Senate Armed Services Committee testimony

            that the military may need up to 50,000 more members to meet current global

            obligations.

            More information on the anthrax vaccine policy will be made at the Service

            Member Support rally in Philadelphia this Saturday, Sept 30th at noon, the Widener

            Building, One South Penn Square.

            The “NO ABUSE” organization was established out of concern that the

            Department of Defense (DOD) mandatory anthrax vaccine policy represents another

            episode in a legacy of questionable and often harmful medical practices. Many

            service member relatives, as well as military, medical, legal, and policy experts

            assisted the House Government Reform Oversight and other Congressional Committees

            as they investigated the anthrax vaccine in nearly a dozen hearings during the

            past 18 months. These citizens determined a formal organization was necessary

            to address the anthrax vaccine, the planned DOD Joint Vaccine Acquisition Program

            (JVAP), and other related military health matters on a long-term proactive basis.

            The NO ABUSE (a non-profit organization) address is:

            P.O. Box 70186,

            Washington, D.C. 20024-0186,

            Redmond H. Handy, President.

            His Email address is: kernlhandy@aol.com

            and

            the Phone/fax is (202) 554-4477 ext.5993.

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          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            Wow, random internet source asserts without any supporting information that there is squalene in something.

            Also you were too lazy to remove the HTML footer eh?

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            This new meme, “brave” is very silly.

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            The minds of vaccine critical folk are weirdly segmented. On one side they seem to be able to claim that there is some bogeyman out there waiting to shut down anti-vaccine doctors and take away their licences. Yet they see no conflict with being able to point to dozens to hundreds who do research (in the broadest sense of the term) and run clinics that are vaccine adverse and write web pages, there are whole conferences run by the nutcases at AoA, etc…etc…

            I guess that’s how first-worlders imagine what an oppressive system looks like. Having been to a few places which have actually oppressive governments the truth is much uglier.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Not only that, but leukemia isn’t the greatest killer of pre-teens.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            FDA to approve flu shot containing squalene which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune disorders

            Paul Fassa
            Natural Blaze
            Mon, 12 Oct 2015 00:00 UTC

            The FDA has granted fast track approval for Swiss based Novartis’s flu shot that contains squalene as an adjuvant to boost what they consider an immune response.

            Fast track approval is normally reserved for crucial emergencies during
            vaccine shortages. You might be aware that there is no shortage of flu
            vaccines and most hyped flu epidemics are bogus.

            But what they call an immune response is mostly a localized cytokine
            response to toxic adjuvants and preservatives. But the process of
            creating a cellular memory to defend against future viral attacks is
            usually bypassed by vaccinating.

            That’s why getting a viral disease and recovering or even being
            exposed to one without falling ill grants lifetime immunity, and that’s
            how true “herd immunity” can occur.

            Squalene was used for troop anthrax vaccinations during the Gulf
            War and has been associated with Gulf War Syndrome that affected
            thousands of American soldiers during the Gulf War, many of whom died
            from that alone, exceeding combat fatalities.

            The squalene paradox is that squalene oil appears naturally in our
            bodies to help manufacture vitamin D and is enhanced by some
            poly-unsaturated fats such as olive oil. But injecting the synthetic
            squalene is a different matter.

            Squalene by injection causes the body to create an antibody response without boundaries. It’s called a cytokine storm.

            The antibodies gather and attack all the body’s natural squalene,
            creating autoimmune diseases ranging from rheumatism to partial or
            complete paralysis and even death. This outcome was common during the 1976 national fake swine flu epidemic that spawned a very strong vaccination push.

            Even President Ford rolled up his sleeve on live TV nationally. Not sure what was in the syringe though.

            The lawsuits from so many deaths and Gillian Barre’ Syndrome (GBS)
            episodes from that vaccination push spurred legislation to indemnify
            vaccine makers from being sued, leading to the current National Vaccine
            Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), a no-fault alternative to the
            traditional tort system for resolving vaccine injury claims, which the
            U.S. Court of Federal Claims decides for whom to award financial
            compensation.

            Immediate Squalene in Vaccine Concerns

            No one should take the swine flu vaccine – it is one of the most
            dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant called
            squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe autoimmune
            disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthritis and Lupus. This is
            the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War syndrome,
            which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200% increase in the
            fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). – Dr. Russell Blaylock

        • Avatar of Proponent

          (*looks up the definition of “legible” *)

          Nope.. does not conform.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Try looking up the definition of “plagiarized.” That’s our Ronnie!

        • Avatar of shay simmons
          shay simmons Reply

          Nice copy/paste, Ron. I see you’re back to your old plagiarizing habits.

          you approve of having kids
          injected with horse blood, rabbit brain,dog kidney,monkey kidney, chick
          embryo,chicken egg protein, duck egg, pigs blood, calf and fetal bovine serum,
          tissue from aborted fetuses and the DNA that it contains, aluminum, thimerosol (
          a form of mercury ), squaline,( which has not been approved by the FDA

          BTW — squalene, as you noted, was never approved by the FDA. That’s why it isn’t in US vaccines.

          Do you ever bother to check before you post?

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            Wrt squalene, there is one and only one US vaccine, FluAd* (for seniors 65YO + only) that contains squalene adjuvant. It just started shipping for this season, so it’s an insignificant portion of the over-65 ‘flu vaccine market, currently dominated by another relatively new vaccine, FluZone High-Dose (with more antigen, but no adjuvant). IIRC squalene had been FDA approved some time ago, but was never used previously. That’s why anti-vaxxers kept pointing to documentation of
            its approval status, but always ran away any time someone asked to see proof of use (because there was none0.

            * https://secure.marketwatch.com/(S(rnrsydaynixa5x55oiibxm45))/story/seqirus-announces-shipment-of-fluadtm-influenza-vaccine-adjuvanted-in-the-us-for-2016-2017-flu-season-2016-08-16

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Thanks! Always glad to learn something new.

        • Avatar of shay simmons
          shay simmons Reply

          The greatest
          killer of pre-teens is leukemia I wonder what causes that?

          The greatest killer of pre-teens are accidents, according to the Census Bureau.

          Don’t you ever bother to check before you post?

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            What would Ron have to post if he checked his facts?

    • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
      Jonathan Graham Reply

      Looks more to me like the vaccinated are getting it from the same thing that is supposed to prevent the disease: vaccines.

      Then congratulations your powers of perception are less than adequate. If what you hypothesize is true it would be easy to tell. Why? Because we can identify the strain of measles in an infected person. So no, that’s not what’s happening. Although it’s interesting that some complicated system of vaccines reverting to wild strains seems more plausible to you than simple vaccine failure and subsequent exposure.

  3. Avatar of Tori

    This is absolutely ridiculous and only intended to put FEAR into parents. Measles is NOT a deadly disease nor something that parents should be fearful of! Ask anyone from an older generation what the measles was like! It was no big deal and then you had years of NATURAL immunity. What parents should be fearful of is what ingredients they are putting into their child when they receive this vaccine. Aborted fetal tissue and another baby’s DNA?! No thank you. Also, if vaccines work, then why weren’t these vaccinated children “protected” from the non vaccinated child? Aren’t vaccines suppose to prevent you from getting the disease? This article is not scientific and only meant to scare. Parents do not buy into this lies. Learn the other side.

  4. Avatar of Shelbatticus
    Shelbatticus Reply

    Nice try. The reality is though that measles is hardly deadly. I’d rather get that than inject myself with chemicals and toxins and another humans DNA. At least my body will naturally build up its own immune system.

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      You realise you’re putting yourself at a 23x higher risk of toxins just from pertussis by making that decision, right?

      Now, do you have evidence that the chemicals in vaccines are toxic at levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination?

  5. Avatar of Amanda Eidem
    Amanda Eidem Reply

    Not deadly and that baby is photo shopped. If they have measles it is most likely a genotype that is not vaccinated against. Measles mumps and chicken pox actually prevent certain kinds of cancers if obtained naturally. Celebrate the natural immunity gained.

  6. Avatar of Erin O'Keeffe Montgomery
    Erin O'Keeffe Montgomery Reply

    Some questions/observations: A) What proof is there that it was contracted from the “unvaccinated” child; B) WHO did the “unvaccinated” child get it from (likely a recently vaccinated person) in order to pass it along; C) IF vaccines work, how was this “unvaccinated” child able to infect “vaccinated” children; and D) in developed countries, measles is NOT “deadly”.

    • Avatar of Jamie

      I would be willing to bet the unvaccinated child got it from someone who just got an MMR. Otherwise, wouldn’t it be pretty obvious by looking at who else had it before them??!
      It’s not like viruses just sit around waiting to pounce on the unvaccinated!

      My daughter got measles “out of nowhere,” yet we lived in a complex with tons of little ones all getting their shots for school. Hmmmm…

      Then, at 15, she broke out in a measles rash again, and it turned out she had been kissing a boy who had just gotten a booster shot.

      So it turns out my daughter is immune compromised (you know, the ones people are supposed to protect with their vaccines?!) and yet the only time she has had “measles” was after being exposed to people who had recently gotten an MMR.

      When I asked our doctor, she just said “it isn’t unherd of.”

      Really??!

      Were any of you informed that, not only might the vaccine just not work at all, but that receiving the LIVE VIRUS vaccine might put the immune-compromised at risk??!

      And before anyone tells me what we’ve experienced is “impossible” because there are “no reported cases” of this aspect or that, how can there be reports when doctors don’t even know what to look for?!

      And to whomever photoshopped these spots, please do a little homework first as to what measles even looks like. Here’s a photo of my daughter’s measles, the first time she caught them.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e709787c44cb02a9f3f6a143eca7e221c171d707d310268c6c85a521c509a915.jpg

    • Avatar of AutismDadd
      AutismDadd Reply

      The patent answer is that HERD IMMUNITY isn’t high enough. Buh Wah Ha Ha really. The vaccinated are only protected if a certain percentage are vaccinated. Real hogwash that makes no sense.

  7. Avatar of Janet Faber
    Janet Faber Reply

    Having measles not only results in life-long specific immunity to measles, but also in life-long non-specific immunity to degenerative diseases of bone and cartilage, sebaceous skin diseases, immunoreactive diseases and certain tumours as demonstrated by Ronne (1985).

    Having mumps protects against ovarian cancer (West 1969).

    • Avatar of Cindy Hoffman
      Cindy Hoffman Reply

      I had the measles approx 7 years of age, which was 53 years ago. I got a high fever, broke out in a rash 2 days later, than got better. When the rash broke out, my Dad stated, “Thank God, she just has the measles.” I recently had a titers blood test, and 53 years later, I have 4 to 5 times the amount you need for protection. LIFETIME NATURAL IMMUNITY!! Also, if you watch old TV shows where measles are a part of the plot, no one is concerned, except for some activity they are missing. When my husband got the measles, he was very happy when the nurse sent him home from school.

      • Avatar of AutismDadd
        AutismDadd Reply

        Yep, but the fake news and fear mongering has turned measles into a KILLER DISEASE and it targeting young mothers who never themselves experienced measles and were vaccinated instead.

    • Avatar of Leslie

      There is also this huge study: “A reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease was associated with most childhood viral infections. The negative association was statistically significant for a history of measles prior to college entrance (exposure odds ratio = 0.53; 95% confidence limits: 0.31, 0.93).”

      • Avatar of Proponent

        Oh, good!

        So.. if my child survives these childhood diseases and infections and doesn’t end up permanently harmed.. or worse.. maybe, just maybe.. they might be at just a slightly significant lower risk.

        I think.

        Let’s ask Leslie to explain the following..

        “(exposure odds ratio =0.53; 95% confidence limits: 0.31, 0.93)”

        … …

        And then there is this and directly from the source that Leslie cites..

        “These data may also suggest a truly protective effect of measles,
        compatible with some complex interaction between measles virus and the
        virus of the 1918 influenza epidemic.”

        • Avatar of Leslie

          Let’s look @ pre vaccine death rates from measles & chickenpox:

          .01125% of measles cases resulted in death (450 out of 4,000,000 cases)
          .00375% of chickenpox cases resulted in death (150 out of 4,000,000 cases)

          In the US, children had an extremely high likelihood of surviving these illnesses so your comment that “they might be at just a slightly significant lower risk” of developing Parkinson’s is nonsense.

          Thank you for pointing out that: “These data may also suggest a truly protective effect of measles, compatible with some complex interaction between measles virus and the virus of the 1918 influenza epidemic.”

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            You haven’t addressed my post.. you simply deflected and/or changed the topic.

            “Let’s ask Leslie to explain the following..

            “(exposure odds ratio =0.53; 95% confidence limits: 0.31, 0.93)” ”

            Can you explain the above, Leslie?

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            You mean.. the “virus of the 1918 influenza epidemic” that swept the world and killed an estimated 50 million people? That the one?

            Any -ways.. and back to the original question that was put to you..

            Let’s ask Leslie to explain the following..

            “(exposure odds ratio =0.53; 95% confidence limits: 0.31, 0.93)”

            … will you explain what the above means, Leslie?

  8. Avatar of Marcie Ellyn
    Marcie Ellyn Reply

    Isn’t it interesting, though, that many who contract the illness are totally vaccinated against it? Also, the unvaxxed child who passed it along acquired it from SOMEWHERE, probably a recently vaxxed person. People who are not vaxxed do not just naturally harbor pathogens, they are acquired! Most of these illnesses would never appear if it were not for intentionally placing them INTO people by vaccinating!

  9. Avatar of Sam Pearson
    Sam Pearson Reply

    My son caught Mumps despite being vaccinated for it and he also caught Whooping Cough.

  10. Avatar of Bob

    Since when is measles deadly? You must’ve confused it with vaccinations. Vaccinations are deadly. Do your own research folks.

      • Avatar of Jessica Lynn
        Jessica Lynn Reply

        @darren lookup vaccines and sids…. sadly l they are deadly!

        • Avatar of Darren Scott
          Darren Scott Reply

          Thanks for the link.
          Looked it up and yes, they can kill via complications.

          • Avatar of Dana Slick Milyo
            Dana Slick Milyo

            If measles were so serious, the Brady’s would not have been laughing about it. Serious complications generally happen to the already very immunocompromised…folks who should already be quarantined anyway. No one has died of the measles in the US in over a decade. Not. Deadly.

          • Avatar of AMSandham
            AMSandham

            Vaccines cause autoimmune diseases. End of.

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            Agreed.. I’d like to hear AMSandham’s evidence for her post:

            AMSandham: “Vaccines cause autoimmune diseases. End of.”

            But, since you are here, Sarah H. and upvoted her comment.. maybe you can provide some evidence for this claim.

            Waiting..

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            Vaccines cause autoimmune diseases.

            And your evidence for this would be what, exactly? Please be specific.

            End of.

            I’m afraid not, AMS, Not only is measles a dangerous, sometimes deadly disease on its own (with up to 30 percent of cases hospitalised, many permanent disabilities in survivours, and 1 – 2 per thousand deaths), but it has been established to suppress immunity and erase previously acquired immunity, raising all-cause deaths in survivours for up to three years.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            Read the package inserts of any vaccine. Obviously this is something you’ve never done.

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            I’ve read them all. What were you reading?

          • Avatar of Lydia4154
            Lydia4154

            Hahahahahaha. You’ve “read them all,” and you still don’t know what the known risks are? Wow. The stupid hurts. Obviously you haven’t read a thing; you are lying. Buh-bye.

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            Ignorant and truculent is no way to go through life, ma’am.

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            No, Lydia, that’s the thing. We know exactly what the known risks are and won’t fall for adverse events being confused with side effects.

          • Avatar of Brian

            You probably shouldn’t call those smarter than you stupid.

          • Avatar of Brian

            I’ve also read them all. I never found anything concerning, once I knew the definitions of all the terms.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            Brian, I worked in pharma for 13 years, developing the content of drug package inserts, including vaccines. I know the definitions, and how the FDA works, better than you ever will. If you “have never found anything concerning,” then you probably either cannot read, or you have major problems comprehending what you DO read. Don’t you dare try to insult me. You are part of the evil machine that is harming children around the world. The FDA actually covered up patient injuries at the company I worked for, for 13 years. I eventually quit, because I couldn’t, in good conscience, support a corporation that does such evil in the world.

          • Avatar of Brian

            Then like others have already asked you, over and over again, what in the inserts is so concerning? Please point out what you are referring to. Be specific. That way, you can actually prove a point instead of simply throwing out broad and unsubstantiated “you’re evil” accusations to strangers on the internet.

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            I worked in pharma for 13 years

            Sure you did.

            developing the content of drug package inserts, including vaccines

            What does that even mean? Were you an attorney, a paralegal, a clerical worker? Are you trying to imply that you were a CRA? Spit out the job title, or folks may assume you were in charge of the copying machine.

            You are part of the evil machine that is harming children around the world.

            ORLY? Some specific evidence would certainly shore up your baseless assertion.

            […] covered up patient injuries at the company I worked for, for 13 years. I
            eventually quit, because I couldn’t, in good conscience, support a
            corporation that does such evil in the world.

            You’d have been a hero had you done anything about it. Instead, you admit complicity in your own words. Is your “good conscience” okay with that?

            Don’t you dare try to insult me.

            There goes another irony meter.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            I actually worked at a multi-national pharmaceutical corporation, and it was my job to create the package inserts. I was heavily involved with drug and device submissions to FDA. This includes vaccinations, from development to clinical trial, to market. Don’t give me that “you don’t know what you’re talking about,” nonsense. I know more about the FDA approval process than you ever will. It was my job for 13 years, until I couldn’t take the disgusting cover ups and omissions allowed by FDA. I quit my job, and have never looked back. The FDA would assist the company I worked for in covering up patient injuries!!! They would pretend to “discipline” the company, when no fines were levied, and nothing ever came of their “investigations,”. This is when patients were DYING as a result of the medications being sold. Don’t you, for a moment, think that the FDA is looking out for you. They are not.

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            Sarah H.: “Read the package inserts of any vaccine.”

            Sarah H.: “I was heavily involved with drug and device submissions to FDA. This includes vaccinations, from development to clinical trial, to market.”

            Setting aside that you’ve not responded to On Its Own Merits’s post..

            What exactly are you trying to draw people’s attention to with respect to the package inserts?

          • Avatar of Acleron

            Complete bollicks, if you were involved with package inserts then you had nothing to do with submissions to the FDA, you were in the marketing department.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            You *literally* know nothing about me. Why don’t you go troll somewhere where you have some knowledge? Right now you are simply making an ass out of yourself, like the other ignorant trolls with no facts.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            Also, it’s *bollocks* not “bollicks”.

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            it was my job to create the package inserts

            So you’re an attorney, paralegal or secretary?

            The FDA would assist the company I worked for in covering up patient injuries!!!

            Can we read about this somewhere? It sounds like it would have been newsworthy.

            I quit my job, and have never looked back.

            So you didn’t care enough about potential injuries to become a whistleblower? Why not? Doesn’t it bother you to be complicit in “patients DYING”? Even a police report would not have been out of the question. How many deaths have you done nothing to prevent?

            Don’t you, for a moment, think that the FDA is looking out for you. They are not.

            There are other agencies around the world that also approve medications and monitor them for safety. Science doesn’t have much in the way of borders, although regulation of pharmaceuticals including vaccines is a somewhat local phenomenon. Do other countries outside the US share your concerns? I’m not getting that vibe.

            Your posts have every sign of being those of a disgruntled ex-employee who probably never got any closer to science than a high school general biology class, if that.

          • Avatar of Reality022

            Sarah H.’s post has every sign of being a complete fabrication by a delusional and fanatical anti-vaccinationist. She claims to have information about corporate coverups of which only a CEO would be aware – not some paper shuffling lackey. She claims to have created vaccine package inserts and yet is completely unfamiliar with the concept of Adverse Event and Side Effect and the fact that they are not scientific documents but legal documents. She claims this specialized pharmaceutical industry knowledge and yet was unable to find the information on the kinds and rates of measles complications. That is something a 10 year old with G–gle could do in 10 minutes.

            IMO it is clear she is an uneducated anti-vaccine fanatic willing to tell tall tales to further her cult’s cause.

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            Agreed, none of her details withstand scrutiny. I was wondering if she was channelling Vaughan.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            Please show your evidence of how measles is so deadly. Waiting.

          • Avatar of Brian

            Measles kill thousands every year.

            That’s evidence.

          • Avatar of Sarah H.
            Sarah H.

            Statistics? Where are these “millions” of deaths happening?

          • Avatar of kfunk937
            kfunk937

            I was busy elsewhere, but @reality022:disqus provided some information here: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/mum-central/measles_alert_non_vaccinated_child_spreads_measles_to_three_children_in_perth/#comment-3146768291

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            You get your medical information from 1970 TV sitcoms?

            Ok, then.

            … …

            (*whispers*)

            “The Mirror Crack’d”.. which is a 1980 movie based on “The Mirror Crack’d from Side to Side”, an Agatha Christie novel.

            “There can be little doubt that Christie used the real-life tragedy of American actress Gene Tierney as the basis of her plot. Tierney described the event in her autobiography (Self-Portrait, New York: Wyden, 1979), but it had been well publicised for years previously. In June 1943, while pregnant with her first child, Tierney came down with German measles, contracted during her only appearance at the Hollywood Canteen. Congenital rubella syndrome was passed on to the baby, Daria, who was born prematurely, weighing only 3 pounds, 2 ounces, and requiring a total blood transfusion. The infant was also deaf, partially blind with cataracts, and severely developmentally disabled. The child ultimately had to be institutionalised. Some time later, Tierney was approached by a female fan for an autograph at a garden party who revealed that during WWII she had sneaked out of quarantine while sick with German measles to visit the Hollywood Canteen and meet Tierney.”

            (Source: Wikipedia )

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Oh, looky! Another one getting medical information from lame 70s sitcoms!

            And you are incorrect, Dana, that no one has died from measles in the US in over a decade. See this:
            https://www. verywell. com/measles-deaths-2633851
            11 measles deaths, 2000-2015. Also, 32 SSPE deaths (a late complication of measles).

        • Avatar of Proponent

          And where exactly should I “lookup vaccines and sids”, Jessica Lyn?

      • Avatar of Annie Wheatley
        Annie Wheatley Reply

        Male and female infertility are at an all time high, one in twenty men in fact. I don’t think its the measles.

      • Avatar of sabelmouse
        sabelmouse Reply

        you mean mumps. and more likely when you get it as adult. best get it as child.

    • Avatar of Proponent

      Bob: “Do your own research folks.”

      Welll.. it would appear that..

      “You have a belief system that distorts your ability to process facts.”

      (H/t to Disqus user; Acleron.)

      … …

      It would be a waste of my time (and yours) to try and have an earnest and intelligent discussion. Best of luck with your illiteracy and ignorance of the overwhelming body of science that says you are wrong.

  11. Avatar of Joyce

    What a silly and misleading article! Measles is not deadly and that photo is not real (poor photoshop job). You should retract this article an issue a public apology for misinforming your readers.

  12. Avatar of DJ

    It’s a LIVE virus sheeple…meaning that the recently vaxxed child/adult can and do shed the virus to others that come into contact with them (if they are not looking after themselves with perfect health) for up to 4-6 weeks, so it started with a recently vaxxed human. (Even a 10 year old child could work this out in a grade school science class.)
    Wake up.

    • Avatar of AutismDadd
      AutismDadd Reply

      But of course the Vaccine Gestapo wants to blame the unvaccinated for every outbreak.

    • Avatar of Proponent

      Well, I am confused.

      Did you read the article or not?

      It would appear that you didn’t.. since the article clearly states.. in the first line..

      “They were exposed to the virus at Rockingham General Hospital’s Emergency Department mid-January after a child of a non-vaccinating family presented with the deadly disease.”

      Or, do you have actual evidence to the contrary? And not merely your.. to be kind.. conjecture and speculation?

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Shedding is a myth. The viruses in these vaccines are attenuated. Know what that means? They’re very weakened. They don’t even give the recipient the diseases. There has never been a documented cause of vaccine-virus measles in the 54 years that the vaccine has been used.

      • Avatar of Ron Roy

        The phenomenon of measles infection spread by MMR (live
        measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) has been known for decades. In fact, 20
        years ago, scientists working at the CDC’s National Center for
        Infectious Diseases, funded by the WHO and the National Vaccine Program,
        discovered something truly disturbing about the MMR vaccine: it leads to detectable measles infection in the vast majority of those who receive it.

        Published in 1995 in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology and titled, “Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients,”
        researchers analyzed urine samples from newly MMR vaccinated
        15-month-old children and young adults and reported their eye-opening
        results as following:

        • Avatar of FallsAngel
          FallsAngel Reply

          Well, yes, isn’t that shocking! You give kids the vaccine, and you can detect the virus in their urine. That’s hardly disturbing.

          Tell me, Ron, how many cases of vaccine-virus chickenpox have their been. Show your source.

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Shedding is a myth. The viruses in these vaccines are attenuated. They’re very weakened. They don’t even give the
      recipient the diseases. There has never been a documented cause of
      vaccine-virus measles in the 54 years that the vaccine has been used.

  13. Avatar of Marcus Jasso
    Marcus Jasso Reply

    OMG ! Seriously ? I remember when my younger brother had the measles. We shared a bedroom and a bathroom. Played together the entire time. I never caught anything.. Guess my immune system did it’s job. Wonder why our doctor was never concerned ? This article is nothing but a distraction. Can we all get back to our lives now ?

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      And just what was the difference between you and your brother? Why did one get it and not the other. Was it something you did? Take the “right” supplements? Get your chakra adjusted properly? Maybe your doctor wasn’t concerned because you’d already had measles. Have you ever asked your mom about that?

  14. Avatar of Annie Wheatley
    Annie Wheatley Reply

    That photo has to be one of the most laughable pieces of photoshopping I’ve seen in a long time. If you did your research you would know that in a developed country such as Australia with good health care and nutrition, the mortality rate from measles was next to nothing even before the measles vaccine was introduced. Being a now mild childhood disease giving life-long immunity, you can understand why some would choose to take the risk. Compare this to an exponentially rising rate of autism and auto-immune disease and pharmaceutical companies and government refusal to to do a study comparing development of vaccinated children to un-vaccinated children. If its no contribution to the cause then do a proper study and rule it out. The refusal speaks volumes. FDA approval means nothing for vaccines because they fall into a category of their own where they are rushed through for approval, in the interest of public health, with inadequate testing and questionable need. Just because you can vaccinate against something doesn’t mean you should. Oh, and Australia doesn’t have any come back for vaccine injured parties because you can’t sue any of the pharmaceutical companies, its in their contract, and Australia doesn’t have a vaccine court like USA. Look at the poor man recently who HAD to have the whooping cough vaccine to be allowed to see his new-born baby and is now a vegetable. Glad the public got to hear about that one because theres plenty they don’t hear about. Our medical freedom is being eroded, mandatory vaccinations and chemotherapy/radiotherapy being forced on children against parents wishes. Its a slippery slope..

    • Avatar of Proponent

      Huh.

      I can never quite figure out the logic behind ‘get the disease.. so one has immunity from the disease’.

      Can you explain that to me? Why would you not want to avoid the disease in the first place?

      … …

      Particularly.. since that is exactly what vaccines are intended for.. without the pain, suffering, and potentially life-threatening complications.

      As well as, the personal costs (work days lost due to having to care for a child) and the often overlooked societal costs attached..

      “Worldwide, an estimated 20 million people are infected with measles each year, and 146,000 die of complications. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, 2.6 million deaths were attributable to measles annually. In the United States before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963, measles was a significant cause of disease and death: an estimated 3 to 4 million people were infected annually, although only about 549,000 were reported. There were 48,000 hospitalizations, 1,000 cases of permanent brain damage from measles encephalitis, and 495 deaths annually.”

      (Source: Bloch AB, Orenstein WA, Stetler HC, et al. Health impact of measles
      vaccination in the United States
      . Pediatrics 1985; 76:524–532.)

      See also: The Cost of Containing One Case of Measles: The Economic Impact on the Public Health Infrastructure Gustavo H. Dayan, Ismael R. Ortega-Sánchez, Charles W. LeBaron and M. Patricia Quinlisk Pediatrics 2005;116;e1 DOI: 10.1542/peds.2004-2512 )

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      Evidence of photoshopping? Should be easy, given how laughable it is.

      What mandatory vaccinations? No-one is suggesting we hold you down or jail you.

  15. Avatar of Judith

    The MMR vaccine (MMR ProQuad) contains aborted fetal lung tissue. This original fetus was aborted due to maternal psychiatric reasons in September, 1966.(1) The MMR2 vaccine contains aborted fetal lung tissue of a 3-month old human female. (2) These fetal cells are used because the human cells can be used to grow the measles virus. There is concern that the increase in autism that has occurred may be due to the introduction of human DNA–from fetal cells–in the MMR and chicken pox vaccines.(3) A scientific review from Dr. Helen Ratajczak, a former scientist at a pharmaceutical firm, reviewed the body of published research since autism was first described in 1943. Dr. Ratajczak stated, “What I have published is highly concentrated on hypersensitivity. The body’s immune system is being thrown out of balance..” by the increasing number of vaccines given in a short period of time. (4) She also felt that the introduction of human DNA contained in vaccines has markedly increased the risk of developing autism. Presently, human tissue is used in 23 vaccines. Dr. Ratajczak feels that the increased spike in autism may be related to the introduction of human DNA into the MMR and chicken pox vaccines. She goes on to state that the foreign DNA from vaccines can be incorporated into the host DNA which causes the immune system to fight against the foreign cells. This could start an inflammatory process that never ends, leading to chronic illnesses like autoimmune disease and allergies. Maybe this is why we are seeing so many children with severe, life-threatening allergies to common foods like peanuts.

      • Avatar of Judith

        OK Pro – if you call me a liar it is up to you to point out where it is a lie. Do you think parroting the word lie magically makes you right?

        • Avatar of Proponent

          You didn’t attribute your source, Judith.

          Why is that?

          And..

          You’ve posted this all before and numerous times.. and were spoonfed where you erred in your interpretation and/or the science simply being bad and/or wrong

          So.. yes.. you are still lying, Judith.

        • Avatar of Sarah H.

          Pro cannot point out where you’re lying, because you’re not. And pro is obviously very uneducated about this topic.

          • Avatar of Judith

            The incident of death and the incident of disease are closely connected. When death is dropping it indicates the disease is getting milder. Natural herd immunity is taking hold. Vaccination introduced at this time disrupts the process of natural herd immunity. We now have populations with no natural immunity that they can pass on to their children.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            You haven’t the faintest clue as to what herd immunity is, do you Judith?

            PS: the correct term is “incidence”, not “incidents”. How long have you been “researching” vaccine epidemiology for now? A couple of hours? Because it sounds like it.

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            “The incident of death and the incident of disease are closely connected. ” Then it should be easy for you to cite incidence charts showing the diseases dropping pre-vaccine. Kindly get on with it.

            “When death is dropping it indicates the disease is getting milder. ” No, it doesn’t. It could also indicate that we’re getting better at saving the sick as a species.

            “Natural herd immunity is taking hold. ” What do you think happens when we start adding new susceptible to the population?

            “Vaccination introduced at this time disrupts the process of natural herd immunity. ” Yes. That’s the point! Aren’t you concerned about toxins such as in the natural immunity for diphtheria and pertussis?

            “We now have populations with no natural immunity that they can pass on to their children.” That already happened – that’s why there was more than 3 outbreaks of any given disease. It doesn’t get passed on in any meaningful way.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            When death is dropping it means that medical care is better. You obviously don’t understand what “natural” herd immunity is. That’s what there was in the adult population pre-vaccine. Adults didn’t get measles (usually) because they’d already had it.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            If populations could pass on natural immunity to their children, measles would not have been considered nearly universal in the US in 1962.

            “Measles Elimination in the United States,” op cit.

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          You claimed the MMR contains “aborted fetal lung tissue.

          That is a lie.
          There is no “tissue” in any vaccine, no more so than saying there is soil and bark in purified Apple juice.

          • Avatar of Judith

            The MMR does contain DNA from aborted fetal cells

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          Well you claimed aborted fetal tissue was in vaccines.
          That’s one lie, for starters.

        • Avatar of FallsAngel
          FallsAngel Reply

          There is no human tissue in any vaccine. As has been pointed out to you many times over, that’s like saying there’s dirt in apples because the tree is grown in dirt. Some vaccines are grown in tissue cultures that comes from two abortions done in the 1960s.

  16. Avatar of Judith

    Measles is a relatively benign illness. Adequate vitamin A and good nutrition makes it no more dangerous than a cold. However vaccines are full of toxic ingredients:

    The study, published this week in the International Journal of Vaccines and Vaccination,

    “Researchers examining 44 samples of 30 different vaccines found dangerous contaminants, including red blood cells in one vaccine and metal toxicants in every single sample tested – except in one animal vaccine.

    Using extremely sensitive new technologies not used in vaccine manufacturing, Italian scientists reported they were “baffled” by their discoveries which included single particles and aggregates of organic debris including red cells of human or possibly animal origin and metals including lead, tungsten, gold, and chromium, that have been linked to autoimmune disease and leukemia.

    The study explains that these foreign injected impurities may explain a vast array of apparently unrelated adverse events associated with vaccination from headaches and seizures to fatigue, muscle pain, paralysis and sudden infant death syndrome. More likely than not, they speculate, vaccine contaminants will “have a more serious impact on very small organisms like those of children.”

    Once inside a body, foreign material in a vaccine shot, whether it is meant to be there as in the case of an aluminum, or not, in the case of contaminants, launches the formidable immune system into action.

    As with anything small and foreign, its reaction to vaccine ingredients is potent, poorly understood, unpredictable, and as the Italian researchers say, may be “undesirable.” The immune system may dispatch an army of large white blood cells called macrophages to engulf the foreign bodies and contain them in swellings and granulomas at the injection site. But if the contaminants are swept away in the blood’s circulation to any distant site or organ including the microbiota, which regulate numerous functions including the immune system, their effect could be felt long after they covertly entered the body.

    In some cases, the immune system my initiate an inflammatory assault against what it perceives as invader. This may include the launch of a host of players called cytokines. Some of these chemical messengers like interleukin-6 are incriminated in autism.

    Because the body may have difficulty removing these contaminants, this kind of inflammation may be sustained and chronic and can manifest as autoimmune diseases when the immune system turns on its own cells as in multiple sclerosis or type 1 diabetes.”

      • Avatar of Judith

        That isn’t all – the neglect is profoundly worrying.
        Recent glass shards found in infant vaccines was ignored by government and the vaccines were not recalled.

        http(colon) //www(dot)mcall(dot)com/news/local/watchdog/mc-sanofi-pasteur-defective-vaccine-vials-20161210-story(dot)html

        • Avatar of AutismDadd
          AutismDadd Reply

          Such a shoddy industry supported by a shoddy government agency. Hopefully Trump drains that swamp.

    • Avatar of Proponent

      You’ve posted this all before, Judith.

      And were spoonfed that your copypasta is spurious and misleading as presented.

      Stop.. lying.

      Stop.. being disingenuous in these discussions.

      • Avatar of Judith

        Been expecting you to turn up Pro – we need a little dis-information on this forum.

  17. Avatar of Christy Volosin
    Christy Volosin Reply

    How are the other babies getting measles if they, themselves, are vaccinated? Maybe I missed something, but if the vaccines are all that effective, how did they get it? Or is this just a propaganda technique to scare us? Are we not supposed to think for ourselves?

    • Avatar of Judith

      Most adults are not vaccinated but could be carriers. However the govt. concentrates on forcing our children to get the dangerous MMR vaccine. Also top experts admit the vaccine is not effective enough to create herd immunity.

      *The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905323/

      http://business.financialpost (dot) com/2014/05/01/lawrence-solomon-vaccines-cant-prevent-measles-outbreaks/ & -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20.

      Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons.

      Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.

      Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons. Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

    • Avatar of Daisy Chandler
      Daisy Chandler Reply

      Judith… most adults have not been vaccinated for over 7 years (the period of time most vaccines are effective). So we have millions of adults who are not vaccinated, that engage with children daily. You want to blame the unvaccinated children for diseases, but most adults do not get booster, unless they work with children. This makes no sense! Stick up for your kid and see how Big pharma scams us Americans into thinking that they are right!

      • Avatar of FallsAngel
        FallsAngel Reply

        Measles vaccine immunity is thought to be life-long. The vaccine came out in 1963, so we can’t say lifetime. I found one study that looked back 30 years and found the vaccinnees still immune. No booster is recommended after the original two shots.

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Babies do not get vaccinated until age 12-15 months. You should think for yourself, and not believe anti-vax woo-masters.

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Babies under 1 cannot get the vax. Yes, you did miss something. Try reading the vaccination schedule.

  18. Avatar of Sarah H.

    So ONE unvaxxed child supposedly passes Measles on to VACCINATED children?! Talk about projection. The real problem isn’t the unvaccinated child. The problem is that the vaccines are not working, and they are unavoidably unsafe!

    • Avatar of Proponent

      Where did you come across the terms “unavoidably unsafe”?

      ‘Cause..

      It.. does.. not.. mean.. what you think it means.

      • Avatar of Lydia4154

        It comes from the United States Supreme Court’s own wording.

      • Avatar of Sarah H.

        Obviously you’ve not been following the US Supreme Court. They ruled that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe, back in 2011. Google it; it’s on the Supreme Court’s own website.

        • Avatar of Proponent

          Actually, I have.. and reiterating, the terms “unavoidably safe” do not mean what you think it means.

          This is a rather easy to understand explanation:

          FindLaw | “What Is an Unavoidably Unsafe Product?

          More in-depth, and in proper context (re: Bruesewitz v. Wyeth):

          Redwineandapplesauce | “Guest post: Vaccines and “Unavoidably Unsafe Products” ”

          … will you read the above?

      • Avatar of Sarah H.

        I would like to know how you find that vaccines are so wonderful, when they are not working, as is proven with this article.

        • Avatar of Lydia4154

          Straw men and Nirvana fallacies are both used in the pro-vax arguments. Lol.

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            Really? Can you link to where pro-vax argumenters misrepresented another person’s position or claimed that if something wasn’t perfect, it was useless?

            Should be easy given that they’re both used in the pro-vax arguments.

            I ask for curiosity’s sake since I am sure you know better than to commit an ad hominem tu quoque fallacy.

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          “I would like to know how you find that vaccines are so wonderful, when they are not working, as is proven with this article.”

          I see an unvaccinated child giving 3 others measles, at least 2 of whom were unvaccinated.

          The thing that is “not working” appears to be antivaccine logic.

  19. Avatar of Taylor

    Well, they must have gotten the measles from a recently vaccinated kid since the vaccine sheds the virus.

  20. Avatar of snow

    Babies supposed to protect from measles through mother’s breast milk till she be year and half if mother is immune to natural measles and breast feeding to baby but if mother got vaccine, cannot give this wonderful thing. When they get older and strong enough to fight measles, usually they get it, get over it then grow up and when mother have baby, passed on immunity to their baby until they get older. So vaccine shouldn’t mess with this great cycle to protect babies.Also vaccine is not perfect. So many vaccinated children get measles and shed to others. Vaccine worn out 1~10 years depends on person, some people never get immune to it. It is crappy product that should be investigated and improve to better and safe one.

  21. Avatar of Daisy Chandler
    Daisy Chandler Reply

    If vaccines work, why is this an issue? They are supposed to prevent your child from acquiring the disease. So why worry about an unvaccinated child? Your vaccines should be working!!!!!! Or do they??!?!

  22. Avatar of Kasual

    Whats the big deal with getting measels. When i was young mothers sought out kids that had measels so that the kids would get the natural, safe immunity that only comes from getting measles naturally. Why would anyone want to vaccinate this into a child? There is no immunity and many vaccinated kids get it from the vaccination. Obtained naturally, there are no toxins shot into the body cavity, where all the filtering organs are by passed as is the gut where we have most of our immune system. A shot goes directly into the blood stream and the toxins can go directly to the brain.
    By getting measels naturally you have life long immunity. All the bodies natural immune system can handle it with only the slightest rash and practically no discomfort. Also it lasts maybe a week and thats it then it goes and you have a stronger immune system and no toxins shot into you.

  23. Avatar of Teresa

    That picture isn’t of a child with measles. How misleading. Measles are not a big deal anyway. Mild, childhood illness. Peddle your fear and propaganda elsewhere.

    • Avatar of kfunk937

      Perhaps stock photos of toddlers with measles are less plentiful, thanks to widespread measles vaccination and few remember what measles looks like, thanks to widespread measles vaccination. Fortunately, there are also varicella vaccines available to prevent chickenpox.

      • Avatar of Jane Jones
        Jane Jones Reply

        Yep-isn’t the US great! We have taken yet another benign disease and tried to immunise that away to the detriment of the older population that no longer gets the natural exposure bump needed to keep shingles away. Shingles numbers are on the rise-but wait we have a vaccine for that too that does not work but most probably will give you shingles. We need to quit believing we can vaccinate our way to health–to stay healthy stay away from Drs. and vaccines and start building up your own immune system!!!

        • Avatar of FallsAngel
          FallsAngel Reply

          Tell me what singles has to do with measles. I’m quite interested.

        • Avatar of Brian

          Only in opposite world is something that kills thousands of children each year considered “benign”.

        • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

          Citation? If only we could build up our immune system…if only there was some way of going “Here, Boy? See this? Sniff this? Attack this next time you see it! Good Immune System!”

          This all-natural 20% CMR is terrible, isn’t it? If only we could do something about it….

        • Avatar of shay simmons
          shay simmons Reply

          Your evidence that measles was/is a benign disease is what, exactly?

  24. Avatar of Tami Aronowitz Goldstein
    Tami Aronowitz Goldstein Reply

    If vaccines work why is this a problem. Measles is not a deadly disease. There hasn’t been a death by measles in 10 years according to the CDC. http://Www.vaxxedthemovie. com
    Australia has the most aggressive vaccine program no wonder they ate passing this propaganda

  25. Avatar of Terri Willcocks
    Terri Willcocks Reply

    Now these children have wonderful life-long natural immunity without all the toxic substances found in vaccines! Vaccines do not prevent illness.

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      What is your evidence that the substances found in vaccines are toxic at the levels found in vaccines?

      What is your evidence that vaccines don’t prevent illness? I trust it is something more than the Nirvana Fallacy or failing maths.

    • Avatar of shay simmons
      shay simmons Reply

      Except for the ones who will die or suffer permanent sequelae. You forgot that part.

  26. Avatar of Lara Devika
    Lara Devika Reply

    Good thing measles isn’t a fatal illness. Now these children will have lifelong immunity and won’t need to be injected with toxic chemicals! Yay!
    BTW, were the three children who got the measles from this child vaccinated?

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Like Hades measles isn’t fatal. You can get in an argument with someone about death rates till it freezes over, but kids do die from measles. In the US, prevaccine, about 450-500 died every year, at a time when the population of the US was about half of what it is now.

      • Avatar of Ron Roy

        The death rate from measles had dropped to almost 0 BEFORE the vaccine. However your partially right concerning the vaccine preventing deaths in third world counties. The vaccines cause the recipients to die from the vaccine so of course they don’t die from the measles:”It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
        South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
        were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
        disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
        immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
        etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
        were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
        statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
        –Dr Kalokerinos, M.D. Dr Kalokerinos
        interview——-International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995

        • Avatar of FallsAngel
          FallsAngel Reply

          The death rate from measles pre-vaccine was 450-500 per year. Feel free to blow that off if you wish.

          • Avatar of Acleron

            Antivaxxer logic : vaccines don’t work therefore mortality must be unchanged after introduction. Present mortality approximates zero therefore must have been zero prior to introduction. /antivaxxer logic.

            Antivaxxer evidence : pah /antivaxxer evidence

          • Avatar of Phoebe

            Woof!
            That was also pre-running water. Back in the days when horses pooped in the streets and fresh produce was a basically a summer and fall luxury for most.

            Why are you trying give credit to vaccines? Who is your employer?

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Where’d you live that there was no running water in 1963?

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            pretty sure there were places, as well as other short comings regading living conditions, and adequate nutrition.
            even though things had improved to the point that measles mortality was close to zero.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            In 1960, about 75% of people in the US had public water supplies. That does not mean the other 25% did not have running water. The vast majority had wells. Very few people were drinking out of streams.
            https://water. usgs. gov/edu/wups.html

            “Close to zero” is not zero, and remember that 30% had complications, with about 20% hospitalized.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            and? it’s the outcome that matters , and why.
            those numbers could have been farther reduced without vaccines.
            but you’ve been told all this already.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            How, sabel? How would the numbers have been farther reduced w/o vaccines? The researchers, you know, people who know a bit more than you or me, were concerned that the death rate had been leveling off since the 1950s. There was only so much your vaunted nutrition/sanitation, combined with medical care, something you AVs never acknowledge, could do to prevent these deaths. And though we’ve come a long way since the 50s, in the 1989-91 outbreak in the US, the death rate was higher than expected, in part b/c so many infants, who have the highest death rate, were affected.

            Measles is a VIRUS, there’s no anti-viral for it. Once it gets into your body, it just does its thing. There is no way to avoid the viral pneumonias, ear infections, encephalitises that occur from the virus. And yeah, as your bud cia likes to say, most of these viral pneumonias are “self-limiting”. What that means is that when the patient dies, the pneumonia is gone.

            And SSPE is now thought to be more common than previously estimated. Such a lovely way to lose your kid, not!

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            What part of the above statement can you refute, sabel?

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            it’s to idiotic to even bother. as are most shill comments.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            England
            actually saw a drop in pertussis deaths when vaccination rates
            dropped to 30% in the mid 70’s. Swedish epidemiologist B. Trollfors’
            study of pertussis vaccine efficacy and toxicity around the world
            found that “pertussis-associated mortality is currently very low
            in industrialised countries and no difference can be discerned when
            countries with high, low, and zero immunisation rates were
            compared.” He also found that England, Wales, and West Germany had
            more pertussis fatalities in 1970 when the immunization rate was
            high than during the last half of 1980, when rates had fallen.17

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            No Ron, in the UK there were 3 large epidemics of pertussis that followed the drop in vaccination to 31% in the mid 70s.
            In the first, there were 38 deaths, and nearly 100 in total until DTaP brought the disease back under control in the late 1980s.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Fatalities are not incidence, Ron! All of these countries have reinstituted pertussis vaccination.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            How disgusting of you to use that word like that.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            1962 was pre running water? Where does Phoebe get her history knowledge, “Litte House On The Prairie?”

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            Obviously not. LHOP had some … fairly accurate…representation of dangers when compared to oh, I don’t know, say,The Brady Bunch.

          • Avatar of Leslie

            Pre vaccine death rates from measles:
            .01125% of measles cases resulted in death (450 out of 4,000,000 cases)

            Death rates from measles in the 1960’s didn’t even make the list for the top death rate stats.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Ha, ha! You guys love to “lie with statistics”. First, you use the lower of the 450-500 as the number of deaths; secondly, you talk about 4 million cases, when the rate is actually a) unknown, and b) likely to be about 95% of the birth cohort, not 100%. Thirdly, you refer to pre-vaccine. That was the rate in the later years of the pre-vaccine era only and the number of deaths had been leveling off since the 1950s, as there’s just so much medical science can do. Fourth, if there were a vaccine that caused that many deaths, well, there wouldn’t be because it would never have gotten to the point of general distribution if it were that dangerous, but. . . you’d be up in arms. Lastly if your kid was one of those 450-500, you would not be a happy camper.

            About 30% of cases have some complication. Let’s use 3,800,000 cases/yr. That’s 1, 140,000 complications. Some of these complications can cause permanent hearing, vision, and mental capacity loss.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Allow me to add-measles became a reportable disease in 1912. In the first 10 years of reporting, ~6000 deaths PER YEAR were recorded. Measles deaths did not start dropping until the late 1920s, and even then it was a gradual drop with peaks and valleys. It is untrue that there were “only” 450 deaths per year during the entire pre-vaccine era.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            that was like half the population, right?

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            What if it was YOUR kid? If there was a vaccine that caused that many deaths, you AVs would be rightly up in arms.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            its terrible no matter who’s child, especial;ly if it could have been prevented by social justice, aka decent living conditions for all.
            and good medical care for all as well, and no stupid mm mistakes like fever reducers, and so on.
            vaccines do cause death but more importantly cause livelong illness, and a thoroughly crewed up immune system.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            Sabel, if you knew of an action that could prevent a million deaths, but cost the life of one child, why would you not be in favour of it?

            I ask, because you seem to be disposed to preferring the option whereby you could prevent one death, but at the cost of millions, while pretending to yourself that nobody died.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            you hang around here, i’m sure you got a cite already.
            as for social justice; this has nothing to do with recent memes.
            it’s simply a fact that most of these deaths were due to poverty in some way , and most of that poverty was due to social IN justice.
            there are few admitted to deaths from vaccines, for obvious reasons.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Yeah, like Olivia Dahl’s. She was a poverty stricken child who died of measles. Get real, sabel. It can happen to anyone. And get off the keyboard and get out there in the trenches.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            that 1 poor child is all you have.
            we don’t know how well nourished she was, she might have been a picky eater.
            wether she had an underlying condition, or if giving her aspirin harmed her.
            what trenches would those be and shouldn’t you get of that keyboard, you seem attached.

          • Avatar of Acleron

            Almost the entire royal entourage of the King and Queen of Hawaii died from measles on visiting London in 1824. They were obviously poor, picky eaters who had taken aspirin /sarcasm

            PMID: 19633516

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            had the encountered measles before? had they encountered a dirty sewer like london before?

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Their healthy diet/lifestyle did nothing to protect them from measles when they encountered it.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            i am trying very hard to remind myself, that contrary to experience, you probably aren’t really that ignorant but only pretending.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            You’re not trying very hard to actually post anything factual or useful.

            Or maybe you just can’t?

          • Avatar of Acleron

            Probably not but being rich and well fed they shouldn’t have needed to be, according to you.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            what a way to simplify complex issues.
            next you’re going to bring up the injuns.

          • Avatar of Acleron

            If your view of infection is simplistic it is hardly my fault. Anyway, it’s wrong.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            Worth emphasising:
            “The imported epidemics of infections including measles diminished
            Hawaii’s population from approximately 300,000 at Captain Cook’s arrival in 1778 to 135,000 in 1820 and 53,900 in 1876.”

            And yet Cia and Sabel would say measles is a harmless, nay beneficial disease.

          • Avatar of Acleron

            Mike Stevens had a pertinent comment to make but those unwilling to allow facts have flagged it.
            ‘Worth emphasising:
            “The imported epidemics of infections including measles diminished
            Hawaii’s population from approximately 300,000 at Captain Cook’s arrival
            in 1778 to 135,000 in 1820 and 53,900 in 1876.”
            And yet Cia and Sabel would say measles is a harmless, nay beneficial disease.’

            I will add that vaccination prevented an estimated 20.3 millions of deaths between 2000 – 2015 but in 2015 there were still 15 deaths per hour from a vaccine preventable disease.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            No, that “1 poor child” who was by no stretch of the imagination even “upper middle class” let alone poor, is not all I have. She is the example I gave.

            It took a walk in the 33 degree 7 AM air to clear my mind of your gobbledy-gook, but I did it! As I said yesterday, the entire Western Hemisphere has eliminated measles. There’s a lot of poverty in the W, especially in Central and South America. You ain’t seen nothin’ till you see some of the urban slums in Brazil, and people living in third-world conditions along the Amazon in tiny villages that you can’t even find on a map. Any yet they’ve eliminated measles.

            Tell you what, sabel, since you’re so sure these deaths are due to poverty, you prove it. You know what we say here-your assertion, you provide the proof. Ditto for that aspirin nonsense.

          • Avatar of sabelmouse
            sabelmouse

            it that case all the measles outbreaks are from the 3rd world, or more likely caused by a shedding vaccine.
            thank you.
            read some history.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            Read some science. The MMR does not shed.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            No, that “1 poor child” who was by no stretch of the imagination even
            “upper middle class” let alone poor, is not all I have. She is the
            example I gave.

            It took a walk in the 33 degree 7 AM air to clear my mind of your misinformation, but I did it! As I said yesterday, the entire Western Hemisphere has eliminated measles. There’s a lot of poverty in the W, especially in Central and South America. You ain’t seen nothin’ till you see some of the urban slums in Brazil, and people living in third-world conditions along the Amazon in tiny villages that you can’t even find on a map. Any yet they’ve eliminated measles.

            Tell you what, sabel, since you’re so sure these deaths are due to poverty, you prove it. You know what we say here-your assertion, you provide the proof. Ditto for that aspirin assertion.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            Go on Sabel, go channel your comrade warrior in arms Cia Parker and tell us how these 500 deaths a year were “No big deal”.

        • Avatar of shay simmons
          shay simmons Reply

          “The death rate from measles had dropped to almost 0” – as has been pointed out to you innumerable times before, Ron, the death rate in the US from measles was about 450 per year when the vaccine was introduced. From “Measles Elimination in the United States,” Orenstein, Papania and Wharton, Journal of Infectious Diseases May 2004.

          In 1962, immediately preceding the licensure of the first measles vaccines in the United States, when measles was a nearly universal disease, Alexander Langmuir described the medical importance of measles to the country and put forth the challenge of measles eradication [1]. Although most patients recovered without permanent sequelae, the high number of cases each year made measles a significant cause of serious morbidity and mortality Langmuir showed that >90% of Americans were infected with the measles virus by age 15 years [1]. This equated to roughly 1 birth cohort (4 million people) infected with measles each year. Not all cases were reported to the public health system; from 1956 to 1960, an average of 542,000 cases were reported annually.By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases) [2]. Nevertheless, in the late 1950s, serious complications due to measles remained frequent and costly. As a result of measles virus infections, an average of 150,000 patients had respiratory complications and 4000 patients had encephalitis each year; the latter was associated with a high risk of neurological sequelae and death. These complications and others resulted in an estimated 48,000 persons with measles being hospitalized every year [3]

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      Now, do you have evidence that said chemicals are toxic at levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination?

      As for your question….you’re surely not dumb enough to fall for the Nirvana Fallacy.

  27. Avatar of Bronwyn Leslie
    Bronwyn Leslie Reply

    My two youngest got rubella from a recently vaccinated visitor to my house. This triggered autoimmune issues in both. Their susceptibility is why they were not vaccinated in the first place.

    • Avatar of Proponent

      Bronwyn Leslie: “My two youngest got rubella from a recently vaccinated visitor to my house. This triggered autoimmune issues in both.”

      So.. you don’t agree, then, with the others that getting the disease and infection towards the end of getting immunity is a good idea.. right?

      … …

      ‘Sides.. spider senses tingling (read; *cough*bs*cough*).

      Or, to be clear.. I don’t believe you.

      Ask me why..

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      Hey, I have some questions for you.

      1)How did you establish a causative link? I trust it is on some basis more robust than the Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy.
      2)How soon after?
      3)Are you claiming “vaccines aren’t 100% effective” or that vaccines shed and cause disease?

      4a)If the former, yes, we know. That’s part of why herd immunity is so important which to remind you, as medically-unable-to-be-vaccinated, your kids rely on.
      4b)If the latter, then it’s strange that there isn’t a positive correlation.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/039edfd0b996c489314b85f22ec813978c0bc18fe740027cfef2ee465df001c4.jpg

    • Avatar of Mike Stevens
      Mike Stevens Reply

      “My two youngest got rubella from a recently vaccinated* visitor to my house. This triggered autoimmune issues in both”

      So your daughters caught rubella, and suffered autoimmune issues as a result.
      …And people here imagine rubella is harmless? Thanks for confirming how dangerous it can be, and not just to pregnant women.

      *If the visitor had recently had MMR, then investigation of your daughters’ illness would revel the genotype of the rubella strain. What was it, incidentally?
      You also realise that if it was proven to be vaccine strain, this event is so unusually rare that it would have been reported, and written up and published in the medical journals?
      Did that happen?

  28. Avatar of Lisa Doyon
    Lisa Doyon Reply

    That looks photoshopped for one thing. But as others have said, if children are vaccinated, and the vaccines do the job they are purported to do, then they shouldn’t get the measles; right? And if an unvaccinated child did pass this on to vaccinated children, then it seems pointless to get the vaccine. And how many of the vaccinated children pass on measles to unvaccinated children through shedding?

    • Avatar of Brian

      97 percent effective is better than zero percent effective.

      And shedding doesn’t happen with measles. Please stop lying.

      • Avatar of Lisa Doyon
        Lisa Doyon Reply

        Where on earth did you get the idea that it was 97% effective? Completely wrong. And any live virus vaccine can shed.

        • Avatar of Brian

          It has long been known that a two-dose series of MMR is about 97% effective in providing immunity. Pretty much every large measles outbreak re-confirms this.

          We also know the MMR vaccine doesn’t shed the disease. There are 19 strains of measles, and in every outbreak, the strain can be determined through testing. Only one of the strains is in the vaccine, and that strain is not present in any disease outbreaks.

          • Avatar of Lisa Doyon
            Lisa Doyon

            Well known to the CDC who lie?

            The CDC says that vaccine-induced immunity “appears to be long-term and probably lifelong in most persons.” However, some studies show that vaccine failure due to waning immunity may occur.1 Recent news reports from India showed that only 1 child in 5 vaccinated for measles was actually protected from getting the disease, even after being fully vaccinated.2

            There are studies showing that measles outbreaks can occur in fully vaccinated populations.8,9,10 For example, an outbreak of measles in the spring of 1985 in Corpus Christi, Texas, occurred in a school where more than 99 percent of the students were fully vaccinated. After examining serum samples from students for detectable measles antibodies, the study’s researchers concluded that “outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated…”11

            In another outbreak in a school in Illinois in 1983-84, the Centers for Disease Control confirmed that the school had a “documented immunization level of 100 percent,”12 suggesting the possibility of certain amount of primary vaccine failure or waning immunity since it had been 10 or more years since the students, who got measles, had had their last measles shot.

            Some research reveals that exposure to natural measles not only is actually necessary to maintain protective antibodies in vaccinated persons, but also may help prevent symptoms of allergic diseases.13,14 Still other research shows that measles vaccine acquired immunity wanes over time, providing an opportunity for subclinical (asymptomatic) measles infections to occur in fully vaccinated populations.15

          • Avatar of Leslie

            How long has it been known that the 2 dose series is 97% effective in providing immunity?

            When MMR was introduced in the early 1970’s people were told that 1 dose gives lifetime immunity. Then there was a massive outbreak 20 years later. The 2 dose series has only been in effect for about 25 years, so there is NO scientific proof that it confers lifetime immunity as those who’ve received 2 doses are only in their 30’s.

            Oh, and the majority (55%) of the Disneyland measles cases were in adults.

          • Avatar of Judith

            Only 20% of adults are vaccinated for measles – where are the outbreaks?

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            So? That was addressing the ‘shedding’ argument. As for your question, herd immunity – the germ doesn’t care where you got the immunity *from*.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Where do you get that figure Judith? How about, for a rarity, a citation? Are you talking US or Australia? Here in the US, anyone born before 1957 is considered immune to measles “by right”. That takes care of everyone 60+. The first vaccines came out in 1963, and there is no upper age limit for receiving it. Measles vaccine has been part of the routine immunization schedule since AT LEAST the late 60s. That takes care of everyone (well, the ~90% of them that are vaccinated) under about 50. Many of the rest have either been immunized or in the older group, had the disease pre-vaccine.

          • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

            Bit like citizenship in that way.

            There’s two ways to achieve the same goal: Jus Sangunisis or Jus Soli/

            Natural immunity/the disease or vaccine.

        • Avatar of FallsAngel
          FallsAngel Reply

          Do see this. https://www. cdc. gov/measles/vaccination. html
          “The MMR vaccine is very safe and effective. Two doses of MMR vaccine are
          about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93%
          effective.”

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          …And the worst that could happen if shedding did occur would be the exposed person would get a freebie vaccination, or a booster.

          • Avatar of Judith

            Vaccine-induced immunity for measles is less robust than natural immunity, leading to waning immunity over time, whereas birth before 1957 is considered “evidence of immunity” to measles by the CDC since natural infection generally confers permanent, lifelong immunity.

            Mothers who were naturally infected in their youth are able to pass on their antibodies to their infants through their breastmilk. Infants born to vaccinated mothers, on the other hand, are at a higher risk in the event of an outbreak since their mothers are less able to protect them due to waning vaccine-induced immunity.

            Immunity from natural infection with pertussis may last from 4-20 years, whereas protection from the vaccine lasts only 2-4 years.

            Furthermore, pertussis vaccine doesn’t prevent infection and transmission. Vaccinated individuals can carry and spread pertussis, falsifying the claim that vaccination is necessary for “herd immunity”.

            Widespread vaccination can cause evolution of pathogen strains into potentially even more virulent forms. For example, the use of the pertussis vaccine has resulted in a genetic shift so that today the dominant strains in circulation are not only resistant to the vaccine and capable of producing more pertussis toxin, but seem to have a selective advantage in infecting individuals who are vaccinated.

            In the 1980s, vaccine manufacturers were facing so many lawsuits for vaccine injury that it threatened public policy, prompting the government to intervene by granting the pharmaceutical companies legal immunity. The Supreme Court has upheld legal immunity for the vaccine manufacturers on the grounds that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe. The law granting this immunity established a separate “court” where parents of vaccine-injured children can go to try to win some compensation, paid for out of a fund that comes from a tax on every dose of vaccine — which is to say the government shifted the financial burden of compensation for vaccine injuries from the manufacturers onto the consumers. Families have been awarded compensation through this court after their children developed autism following vaccination. Former CDC director Julie Gerberding acknowledged after one of these cases that vaccines can cause “symptoms that have characteristics of autism” in children with mitochondrial disorders. After her stint at the CDC, Gerberding went on to head up the vaccine division at Merck.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            There is no measles antibody passed through breast milk, Judith, and YOU KNOW IT! You’ve been told this many times, with many citations. Yet you continue to lie, that is, deliberately posting a falsehood.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            Why do the antivaxers lie – do they think people will just automatically believe the most outrageous fibs and lies?
            Has everyone lost all rational thought?

        • Avatar of Brian

          Please read the article you’re linking to, Jucith. That person didn’t shed the vaccine virus. I was simply one of the 2-3% of people when the vaccine doesn’t fully protect.

        • Avatar of Proponent

          Got a question for you, Judith..

          What’s the difference between “shedding” and “vaccine failure”?

          Be specific.

          … …

          I will completely understand if you respond with another of your usual copypasta strawmen towards the end of deflecting.

          Or.. tuck your tail and scamper off to the next article that you.. ahem.. googled.

          … …

          You simply lack the knowledge or worse, the personal veracity to check your posted tripe, Judith. That is.. shameful and deserves the condemnation you find yourself on the receiving end of.

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          “Yes it does
          see http://www.sciencemagdot)org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time”

          No Judith. How many times do we have to say it? This is a very rare case of secondary vaccine failure, not a case of shedding.
          Stop lying.

        • Avatar of Mike Stevens
          Mike Stevens Reply

          “Yes it does
          see http://www.sciencemagdot)org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time”

          No Judith. How many times do we have to say it?
          This is a very rare case of secondary vaccine failure, not a case of shedding.
          Stop lying.

    • Avatar of FallsAngel
      FallsAngel Reply

      Do you have a clue at what age children can get measles vaccine? How old does that baby look?

    • Avatar of On Its Own Merits

      What evidence led you to the conclusion that the baby looks photoshopped? Hint: Of course it’s not the actual baby for confidential reasons.

      That picture is a BABY. BABIES do not get the MMR jab since they are, by definition, under 12 months old. The MMR #1 being given at 12 months is thus given, by definition, to CHILDREN albeit very young children i.e. boddlers/toddlers.

      In other words, that is someone’s offspring who CANNOT be vaccinated (It might help to think of it as a temporary medical exemption.) as opposed to a perfectly-healthy ten-year-old whose parents WON’T vaccinate them.

      As for the shedding trope, two questions:

      1)How do you explain the diseases pre-vaccine?

      2)How do you explain the inverse correlation?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/039edfd0b996c489314b85f22ec813978c0bc18fe740027cfef2ee465df001c4.jpg

    • Avatar of lynneb

      1. Babies are not vaccinated against measles. They don’t mount a good enough immune response to the vaccine. BABIES ARE NOT YET VACCINATED. This is not rocket science.
      2. Among *children* who are vaccinated, the vaccine doesn’t work for 1-2% — that’s one or two kids out of every hundred, who don’t know they aren’t immune until or unless they find out the hard way.
      3. Your unvaccinated child has a 90% chance of catching measles from a single exposure to measles. They then have a 90% chance to pass it on to any baby or unvaccinated child they come into contact with, as well as to any immunocompromised kids (like those who have had treatment for cancer) and those one or two kids for whom the vaccine didn’t work. Do you understand that other parents might not be happy about this?
      4. “How many vaccinated children pass on measles to unvaccinated children through shedding” — Easy to answer: None. Zero. Not a single one. Because unlike the disease, and contrary to the bs myths that anti-vaccinationists pass on endlessly, there has never once, anywhere, been a single recorded instance of secondary transmission of the disease from the vaccine virus. Ever. Anywhere in the world.

      It isn’t photoshopped and you endanger your own children AND other people’s kids through this ignorance. Please don’t.

      • Avatar of Ron Roy

        Bull babies are protected by passive antibodies.Giving babies the Hep B vaccine at birth, or any other vaccine before it is at least three months old. is an example of medical ignorance because babies cannot produce antibodies until they’re around 2 to 3 months old.

        • Avatar of lynneb

          Speaking of medical ignorance: if babies were not capable of producing antibodies, they would die shortly after birth from the microorganisms they are exposed to at birth. So seriously, no, this is completely inaccurate.

          Speaking of medical ignorance: not all diseases are the same, and not all vaccines are the same. When it comes to measles, babies are partially protected by passive immunity from the mother; and the age at which that wears off varies from one infant & mother to the next, so while a baby is reliably protected for the first couple of months, by the age of 5-6 months, there’s a good bet the baby is not protected any more. And a baby that age CAN develop protective antibodies to the MMR vaccine, if maternal antibodies have broken down — but their immune system does not adequately “remember” and they will need an extra booster later, when they’re older.

          For Hep B, however, since babies are not passed maternal antibodies to that, and because the vaccine is extremely effective, vaccination at birth has in fact reduced the burden of chronic Hep B in the population by about 80%. Like I said — not all diseases the same, not all vaccines the same. And details matter.

          None of these things are an argument not to vaccinate. It’s stupid to forego protection against diseases that can and do kill — especially since the complication rate is highest when the youngest babies DO catch these diseases.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            Speaking of medical ignorance YOU TAKE THE CAKE. Babies ARE protected by maternal antibodies better known as passive antibodies and they CANNOT produce antibodies to the Hep B vaccine: Babies begin to produce
            low levels of their own antibodies between 3 and 6 months before birth.
            However, these are IgM antibodies, immature ‘rough draft’ versions.
            These have much lower affinity for antigens then their mature IgG
            counterparts which are the classically thought of antibody.

            Levels of an infant’s own IgG start to rise after birth, however
            don’t reach a reasonable level until after the child is roughly 1 year
            old. Maternal antibodies start to tail off at around 3 months leaving a
            period highlighted in blue on the graph where infants are particularly
            prone to getting infections.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c70f52e5e9c7758cb3dec5dd7132a383f05f1d91e39d88197999afa90142dfc.png

          • Avatar of lynneb

            I have a reply being held in moderation, presumably because it has links to three studies in it.

            The short answer, however, is the fact that you’ve copied and pasted things about the immune system that you genuinely don’t understand, and you don’t seem to know how much you’re missing, and the real world data say that babies are perfectly capable of developing a long-term, effective immune response to Hep B vaccines, and again: vaccinating children against extremely contagious diseases also protects all the babies around them.

        • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
          Jonathan Graham Reply

          Observe…
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c70f52e5e9c7758cb3dec5dd7132a383f05f1d91e39d88197999afa90142dfc.png

          As you can see, even at birth infants can produce IgM antibodies. It’s IgG and IgA which take a few months to ramp up. Unsurprisingly IgM is pretty much the first and predominant response to HepB. So clearly vaccinating for HepB at birth is completely reasonable. It’s only your ignorance which lets you think it’s problematic and your arrogance which allows you to spew it here on Disqus.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            Now Johnny why didn’t you post the rest of that information:

            In the graph above the darker blue line refers to the antibodies the
            baby receives from the mother in utero, as you mentioned in your
            question.

            As you can see, the red line indicates that babies begin to produce
            low levels of their own antibodies between 3 and 6 months before birth.
            However, these are IgM antibodies, immature ‘rough draft’ versions.
            These have much lower affinity for antigens then their mature IgG
            counterparts which are the classically thought of antibody.

            Levels of an infant’s own IgG start to rise after birth, however
            don’t reach a reasonable level until after the child is roughly 1 year
            old. Maternal antibodies start to tail off at around 3 months leaving a
            period highlighted in blue on the graph where infants are particularly
            prone to getting infections.

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            I didn’t mention that because it’s incorrect. IgM don’t have lower affinity. In fact someone mentioned that in the notes right below the portion you’re citing which somehow YOU forgot to mention. So as usual you are trying to deceive people.

            Also as stated, not every antigen creates a uniform response from the immune system HepB is, as I mentioned, and cited is generally fought off first by IgM. Often IgM is the only trace you can find of a HepB infection. Which is why there is absolutely nothing wrong with vaccinating infants.

            In any case, you said:

            because babies cannot produce antibodies

            Which is, as you agree is wrong in every respect.

          • Avatar of Ron Roy

            I see as usual you pick and choose what you want people to believe. Babies don’t not produce antibodies to any meaningful level until they’re 3 months old and the ONLY reason they are given a vaccine at birth is to help those quacks giving it to pay for their Mercedes much as the only reason you support the drugs companies is so you can pay for yours.

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            I see as usual you pick and choose what you want people to believe

            Just telling the whole story. Something you forgot to do. IgM is available at birth so when you said

            babies cannot produce antibodies

            You were completely wrong. Now you’re clinging onto some made up belief that having lower levels of antibody production isn’t meaningful.

            There is of course a problem with that. It’s IgM that binds during a bloodtype mismatch. So if the IgM levels are insufficient then there’s no reason to worry about blood types in newborns. Right? That’s your position. Right?

    • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
      Jonathan Graham Reply

      And how many of the vaccinated children pass on measles to unvaccinated children through shedding?

      Zero or so to it it would be difficult to tell. How do we know this? Because if it were possible for an immunocompetent person to get the measles from a tiny amount of attenuated virus which somehow sheds from a vaccinated person. Then it would be far, far, far, far more likely to get the measles just from getting vaccinated. We know that doesn’t happen. I think there might have been one case of this in recorded history. Which means that out of the billions of MV and MR and MMR and MMRV shots. There’s one case of measles. Which means that it’s even worse than those billion to one odds to ever give someone the measles due to shedding.

      The most likely outcome of encountering a significant amount of vaccine strain measles is immunization.

      • Avatar of FallsAngel
        FallsAngel Reply

        I’m not even sure that one case of vaccine virus transmitted measles was really documented. It was a letter to the editor of some journal, IIRC and referenced siblings who I believed shared a bed. (Leaving myself an out, LOL.)

      • Avatar of Ron Roy

        The Vaccinated Spreading Measles

        The phenomenon of measles infection spread by MMR (live
        measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) has been known for decades. In fact, 20
        years ago, scientists working at the CDC’s National Center for
        Infectious Diseases, funded by the WHO and the National Vaccine Program,
        discovered something truly disturbing about the MMR vaccine: it leads to detectable measles infection in the vast majority of those who receive it.

        Published in 1995 in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology and titled, “Detection of Measles Virus RNA in Urine Specimens from Vaccine Recipients,”
        researchers analyzed urine samples from newly MMR vaccinated
        15-month-old children and young adults and reported their eye-opening
        results as following:

        Measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period.

        In some cases, measles virus RNA was detected as early as 1 day or as late as 14 days after the children were vaccinated.

        Measles virus RNA was also detected in the urine samples from all
        four of the young adults between 1 and 13 days after vaccination.

        • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
          Jonathan Graham Reply

          Measles virus RNA was detected in 10 of 12 children during the 2-week sampling period.

          Well a) Virus RNA doesn’t necessarily mean a functioning virus and b) if you have any point at all it would be that there is somehow a reversion to wildtype yet this test is not sufficiently sensitive to do subtyping. It was designed just to test potential cases and only looks at genes assumed to be common to all strains.

          Also isn’t it your position that there’s an enormous difference between ingestion, inhalation and injection? So someone encountering this shedding isn’t going to get infected anyway.

          So all you’ve done is refute Lisa’s argument.

  29. Avatar of Gina Kate Phillips
    Gina Kate Phillips Reply

    Children under 12months cannot recieve the MMR needle that is who is at risk here. Children with a low immunity to begin with being so new. I would hate if my 4m old contracted this from someone who didnt vacinate. There hasnt been a death in years because the vaccines has kept them at a low rate. Children over 12m who have recieved can still contract MMR but have a better chance fighting it off a vaccine doesnt mean you will never ever contract something it just builds up your bodys protection against something that could potentially be harmful.

    • Avatar of Jane Jones
      Jane Jones Reply

      The unvaccinated are not shedding the disease. Unvaccinated does not equal diseased!!! The newly vaccinated are shedding this-and the vaccinated are catching it! So much for the vaccine working! You really need to do some in depth research before you blindly put your faith in a medical system that has failed a whole generation. Vaccine damage is real!

      • Avatar of AutismDadd
        AutismDadd Reply

        They don’t get that people MIX. They expect a sanitized world that will cater to a small number of immunocompromised. They expect to be able to Visit Disneyland or WalMart and encounter nothing but vaccinated sheeple.

        • Avatar of sabelmouse
          sabelmouse Reply

          except they’re NOT counting on shedding and asymptomatic transmission.
          but assume that unvaccinated are bundles of germs.

          • Avatar of AutismDadd
            AutismDadd

            Yea its strange how the SCIENCE proponents are science deniers most of the time.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            No shedding, sabel. You’ve been participating here long enough to know that. Asymptomatic transmission? What are you talking about? Measles is rarely asymptomatic.

          • Avatar of Judith

            Get the measles vaccine, and you won’t get the measles—or give it to anyone else. Right? Well, not always. A person fully vaccinated against measles has contracted the disease and passed it on to others. The startling case study contradicts received wisdom about the vaccine and suggests that a recent swell of measles outbreaks in developed nations could mean more illnesses even among the vaccinated.
            http://www.sciencemagdot)org/news/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Not in this story.

            “Three young children, including two
            young babies, have caught measles this week from an unvaccinated child,
            according to WA Health’s Virus Watch.”

            And yes, you like to post about that ONE documented case over and over. That’s one out of how many billion measles vaccine doses? You wouldn’t even be able to calculate the number, it’s so small.

          • Avatar of Reality022

            And Judy’s cited case did not shed and transmit vaccine virus. Judy’s case caught and transmitted wild, virulent measles virus. The only thing that made this case worthy of an article is that it is the first and only time secondary vaccine failure followed by transmission of wild measles virus had been documented.
            As you stated – This case is the only one of its kind out of a billion measles vaccine doses.

            – No shedding of vaccine virus
            – No transmission of vaccine virus
            – Only case of 2ndary measles vaccine failure and transmission of wild measles virus known to history.

            Readers will note that Judy provided an article that has nothing to do with the topic of vaccine shedding and hardly makes the case that the measles vaccine is ineffective what with her article being about a once in a billion+ occurrence.

          • Avatar of shay simmons
            shay simmons

            A person fully vaccinated against measles has contracted the disease and passed it on to others.

            You have to keep citing this case because it’s the only time that has happened.

          • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
            Jonathan Graham

            The startling case study contradicts received wisdom about the vaccine

            What received wisdom? Normally that means from an authoritative source. Please point out where an authoritative source says vaccines are perfect.

          • Avatar of Mike Stevens
            Mike Stevens

            Again, not an example of shedding virus that causes new infection, Judith.
            You’ve been told this several times for this particular, extremely rare** case of someone who failed to respond to a much earlier vaccine and who much later caught wild measles and infected 2 others.
            So why do you lie so much?

            ** Hint: the clue is in the title of the report:
            “Measles-outbreak-traced-to-fully-vaccinated-patient-for-the-first-time”

        • Avatar of Jonathan Graham
          Jonathan Graham Reply

          They don’t get that people MIX

          Actually if people were better at mixing it would make vaccination easier. The raw number of people to achieve herd immunity is lower than what we often need to present outbreaks because people don’t mix uniformly they clump which is why there have been disease outbreaks in isolated communities.

        • Avatar of Leslie

          The reality is that there is virtually no health condition that the CDC considers exempt from vaccines. If you have cancer, they will vaccinate you before chemo then as soon as possible after you finish chemo. And if you have an autoimmune condition they vaccinate you before starting meds.

          So the nonsense about “protecting the immunocompromised” is a lie.

          • Avatar of Proponent
            Proponent

            Your comment/post is a contradiction in and of itself..

            Acleron: “You have a belief system that distorts your ability to process facts.”

            Next?

            … …

            An aside: It’s not like the immunocompromised have anything to worry about.. right?

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Oh, that’s bull. Yes, vaccines do have to be repeated after chemo. Chemo destroys your immune system. Certain autoimmune conditions preclude some vaccines, particularly the live ones.

          • Avatar of Leslie

            The vast majority of vaccines that the CDC/ACIP have on their “recommended” list are inactivated so even the immunocompromised are “instructed” to get them.

            Pushing HPV vaccine (through legislation or medical coercion) on preteens won’t help herd immunity for the immunocompromised. It will help Merck’s bottom line, though.

          • Avatar of FallsAngel
            FallsAngel

            Yes, the immunocompromised are encouraged to get these vaccines because they’re more vulnerable to the illnesses.

            Why are you discussing HPV vaccine in response to a story about measles?

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